Out of the Archives Podcast

Demolition and displacement are a part of environmental injustice and the climate crisis. With that in mind, how do we remember and center the needs of the land and the wishes of the residents when it comes to decision making for public housing? In this Out of the Archives podcast episode, two neighbors from New York and Miami weigh in.

We hope these stories empower us towards a world that centers living beings and lived experience.

Episode transcript

Narrators: Anna Williams and Renee Keitt.

Additional featured audio excerpts from Razing Liberty Square (Katja Esson, 2023) and A Home Worth Fighting For (Natasha Florentino, 2025).

Ms. Williams’s interview is also curated in episode 25.

Sources
We strongly encourage those interested in these resident campaigns to support the two documentaries at the top of the list. You can purchase a viewing pass to Razing Liberty Square or sign up for Natasha Florentino’s future screenings mailing list at the links below. This support goes a long way!

Katja Esson, Razing Liberty Square (2023), published by Women Make Movies, organizations can buy or book a screening at: https://www.wmm.com/catalog/film/razing-liberty-square/. Individuals can watch on PBS at: https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/documentaries/razing-liberty-square/
Natasha Florentino, A Home Worth Fighting For (2025), accessed via filmmaker. More information about future screenings at: https://www.natashaflorentino.com/ahwff.
T.C. Documentaries, “Overtown, Miami (Short History of South Florida’s Overtown Neighborhood),” accessed at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b6_INnChIM
Digital Scholarship Lab at University of Richmond, “Renewing Inequality: Urban Renewal, Family Displacements, and Race 1950-1966,” published by American Panorama (20, ed. Robert K. Nelson and Edward L. Ayers), accessed at: https://dsl.richmond.edu/panorama/renewal/#view=0/0/1&viz=cartogram&text=defining.
Terry Gross, “A ‘Forgotten History’ of How the U.S. Government Segregated America” (2017), published by NPR, accessed at: https://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526655831/a-forgotten-history-of-how-the-u-s-government-segregated-america
United States of America 81st Congress, “Housing Act of 1949” (1949, last amended 2024), accessed at: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/COMPS-10349/pdf/COMPS-10349.pdf
T.R. Witcher, “How the interstate highway system connected—and in some cases segregated—America,” published by American Society of Civil Engineers (2021), accessed at: https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/article/2021/07/how-the-interstate-highway-system-connected–and-in-some-cases-segregated–america
Congress for the New Urbanism, “Overtown Expressway,” accessed at: https://www.cnu.org/what-we-do/build-great-places/overtown-expressway
Adam Paul Susaneck, “Segregation by Design—Miami: Overtown,” published by TU Delft Centre for the Just City (2024), accessed at: https://www.segregationbydesign.com/miami/overtown-overview
New York City Housing Authority, Essence Development, Related Companies, and Housing Opportunities Unlimited, “Fulton Elliott-Chelsea Relocation Plan” (2025), accessed at: https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nycha/downloads/pdf/fec-relocation-english.pdf
Damon Williams, Daniel Kisslinger, and People for Community Recovery, Help this Garden Grow, published by Respair Media, accessed at: https://www.respairmedia.com/help-this-garden-grow

In this episode, seven public housing resident narrators recount stories about sharing in community and forced changes to their family structures, shaped by undercurrents of federal policies enacted during the 1950s–1980s that strictly governed what resources were available to whom. These stories touch on how the United States’ aggressive involvement in global affairs affect its residents at home and reveal deeper insights about how systemic changes affect each individual.

We encourage you to share this episode with a friend and discuss how sharing and governmental policies have impacted your communities.

Episode transcript here. 

Narrators: Juanita Stevenson, Anna Williams, Betty Thompson, H. Demetrius Bonner, Dr. Richard Morgan, Daniel Nicholson, and Sharon Leggitt.

Sources and additional readings: 

• Nicholas Lemann, “Four Generations in the Projects,” The New York Times (January 13, 1991, Section 6, page 17), accessed at: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/13/magazine/four-generations-in-the-projects.html 
• Natalie Y. Moore, with research by Beauty Turner, “The Good Ol Days,” The Chicago Reporter (September 26, 2007), accessed at: https://www.chicagoreporter.com/good-ol-days/. 
• Alison Lefkovitz, “Men in the House: Race, Welfare, and the Regulation of Men’s Sexuality in the United States, 1961–1972,” Journal of the History of Sexuality 20, no. 3 (2011): 594–614, accessed at: http://www.jstor.org/stable/41305886.
• Rahim Kurwa, National Low Income Housing Coalition, “Study Examines ‘Man in the House’ Rules in the Voucher Program, Housing Policy Debate (August 24, 2020) accessed at: https://nlihc.org/resource/study-examines-man-house-rules-voucher-program 
• Nestle, Marion. “The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP): History, Politics, and Public Health Implications.” American Journal of Public Health 109, no. 12 (2019): 1631-1635, accessed at: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2019.305361 
• Hortense J. Spillers, “Mama’s Baby, Papa’s Maybe: an american grammar book”  (1987), Diacritics 17, no. 2 (Summer 1987): pp. 64-81, accessed at: https://www.mcgill.ca/english/files/english/spillers_mamas_baby.pdf or https://doi.org/10.2307/464747 .
• Gregory Acs, Kenneth Braswell, Elaine Sorensen, and Margery Austin Turner, “The Moynihan Report Revisited, published by Urban Institute, Open Society Foundations, and Fathers Incorporated (June 2013), accessed at: https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/23696/412839-The-Moynihan-Report-Revisited.PDF 
• Daniel Geary, “The Moynihan Report: An Annotated Edition,” The Atlantic (September 2015), accessed at: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-moynihan-report-an-annotated-edition/404632/ 
• Daniel Patrick Moynihan, “The Negro Family: The Case for National Action,” Office of Policy Planning and Research, United States Department of Labor (March 1965), accessed at: https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Moynihan%27s%20The%20Negro%20Family.pdf.

Who are the heroes of your neighborhood? In our latest episode of Out of the Archives, “Beauty is Remembered: A Mother’s Fight for Public Housing,” we honor the legacy of Ms. Beauty Turner, a mother, journalist, historian, and community activist who lived in Chicago’s Robert Taylor Homes for over a decade. Listen to Larry Turner, the eldest son of Ms. Beauty, other former Robert Taylor residents, and even Ms. Beauty herself discuss the community’s rich and complex history. Their reflections underscore why neighborhood heroes like Ms. Beauty are critical to every community.

Content Notes: This episode discusses themes of death/dying, drug use, state-sanctioned displacement, and houselessness. Please take care while listening.

Episode 24 transcript here.

Narrators: Larry Turner, Troy Gaston, Patricia Porter, Betty Thompson, and Dr. Richard Morgan. Excerpts of Ms. Beauty Turner are from Dislocation (Sundhir Venkatesh, 2005) and Interrupt the Pipeline (Flavian Prince and Daniel Rudin, 2009). 

Larry and Troy’s interviews are also curated in episode 22 and episode 16 respectively. 

Sources and additional reading:

• Sundhir Venkatesh, Dislocation (2005): ⁠https://vimeo.com/505211639⁠ 

• Flavian Prince and Daniel Rudin, Interrupt the Pipeline (2009): ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJ8om06PU4⁠ 

• Nuri Medina II, Englewood Enterprise Gallery Dec. 6, 2017 Show, Chicago Access Network Television (2017): ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ksh7OHUjY⁠ 

• Beauty Turner, “GHETTO Bus Tour” (2007, Associated Press Archive): ⁠https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKoTEH3ya2Y⁠ 

• Mick Dumke, “Chicago Claims Its 22-Year ‘Transformation’ Plan Revitalized 25,000 Homes. The Math Doesn’t Add Up” (2002, ProPublica); Accessed: ⁠https://www.propublica.org/article/chicago-housing-authority-hud-transformation-plan⁠ 

• When the Market Isn’t an Option Zine Vol. II & III: “Public Housing Disinvestment” and “Public Housing Deterioration” (2021–2022, National Public Housing Museum): ⁠https://nphm.org/listen/activating-the-archive/when-the-market-isnt-an-option-zine-series⁠

• Beauty Turner’s Blog: ⁠https://beautysghettobustours.blogspot.com/⁠ 

• Samantha Chatman and Maggie Green, “Chicago affordable housing wait can take years as city, CHA face severe shortage,” (May 2023, ABC 7 Chicago), accessed: ⁠https://abc7chicago.com/affordable-housing-chicago-cha-section-8-portal/13232375/⁠ 

• D. B. Hunt (2001). “What went wrong with public housing in chicago? A history of the Robert Taylor Homes”. Journal of the Illinois State Historical Society, 94(1), 96. Retrieved from: ⁠https://flagship.luc.edu/login?url=https://www.proquest.com/scholarly-journals/what-went-wrong-with-public-housing-chicago/docview/232489901/se-2⁠ 

• Kenya Barbara,”The Plan for Transformation: How a plan with lofty goals has underperformed and forever changed public housing in Chicago,” Public Interest Law Reporter vol. 24 (2018). Accessed at: ⁠https://lawecommons.luc.edu/pilr/vol24/iss1/13⁠.  

• Chicago Housing Authority, Annual Comprehensive Financial Report, Fiscal Year 2023, accessed at: ⁠https://www.thecha.org/sites/default/files/2024-11/2023AnnualComprehensiveFinancialReport_12.23_BudgetandFinance.pdf⁠ 

• Dan Baum, “Legalize It All: How to win the war on drugs,” Harper’s Magazine (April 2016), accessed at: ⁠https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all⁠

• “City of Chicago 2024 Point-in-Time Count and Survey Report of People Experiencing Homelessness,” prepared by the Nathalie P. Voorhees Center for Neighborhood & Community Improvement, University of Illinois Chicago, oversight by the Department of Family and Support Services, accessed at: ⁠https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/city/depts/fss/supp_info/Homeless/2024-Homeless-Point-In-Time-Count-Report/2024_PIT_Report_FINAL.pdf

Narrators Janetta Pegues and Allen Schwartz, in conversation with oral historian Liú Chen, share stories of living in the Jane Addams Homes, intimately known as “The Village”, during the 1940s–1980s. Janetta and Allen share insights about the neighborhood’s different periods of redevelopment and change, including the construction and development of University of Illinois Chicago in the 1960s and the ongoing gentrification of Little Italy. 

Listen to Allen and Janetta’s FULL joint conversation here.

A teaser installation was also curated from this joint conversation for our Taylor Street Window Installations.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: Janetta Pegues and Allen Schwartz

In this episode of Out of the Archives, “It’s Certain Things That I Think Are Human Rights,” we celebrate National Fair Housing Month by tracing the origins of the commemorative month and digging into the concept of  ‘housing is a human right’ with an array of current and former residents from Chicago public housing.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Dr. Richard Morgan, Juanita Stevenson, Allen Schwartz, Nakia Herron, and Reverend Marshall Hatch.

In this episode of Out of the Archives, “Everybody Needs Somebody to Love,” we celebrate a resident from the ABLA (a group of public housing projects consisting of the Jane Addams Homes, Robert Brooks Homes, Loomis Courts, and Grace Abbott Homes) community, the late Mr. Wilbur Farley. If that name sounds familiar, perhaps it is because he has appeared many times in different ABLA oral histories we have gathered. Known as “Mr. Fix-It” for his ingenuity and helping neighbors with small repairs, Mr. Farley was such a hugely influential and important member of the community that “Mr. Farley Day Back to School Celebration and Party” (as it was originally called) was created in 1984 by the ABLA community.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: Godfrey Bey, Al Buford, Byron Dickens, and Marquita Gandy.

In this episode, “There’s So Much Magic in a Place,” we uplift a range of experiences of public housing residents from across the country, featuring narrators from New York City, Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Chicago. These narrators share stories of how their relationships to home and place have shaped, and have been shaped by, their identities as individuals and communities.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: Ramona Ferreyra, Danté Hamilton, Connie Lindsey, and Willie McShan.

When considering what “love” is, many varieties come to mind. Romantic love and platonic love dominate our TV shows, movies, and music, but these are only two pieces of the picture. What about love of a place, love of a people, or love of a purpose and principles? This episode, “The Act of Loving,” shares stories of all sorts of love in public housing, expanding our definition of what love means.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: J.L. Gross, Reverend Marshall Hatch, Milton Reed, Former Representative Bobby Rush, Daphany Rose Sanchez, Larry Turner, and Tanisha Wright.

In this episode of Out of the Archives, we’re revisiting Episode 12, “Full of Life,” and have added more historical context behind the stories narrators share! This episode feature stories about finding yourself through the arts and recreation, reclaiming and growing after trauma, and more.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: Marquita Gandy, Nakia Herron, Olga Molina, Sokeo Ros, and Henry Warfield.

“Bringing the Outdoors In: Community and Recreation in Public Housing”, originally aired on April 30, 2020, shortly after the start of the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown. Needless to say, this period required the world to drastically reimagine how we interact while also keeping our neighbors and broader communities safe. Thinking back to those first few weeks of the pandemic, one of the most immediate and disarming changes was not being able to commune with our friends, family, classmates, and colleagues. We shared this episode with that mentality in mind, hoping to bring listeners closer to what was familiar to them. Now, over three years later, we are still living with the ever-rippling effects of the pandemic. But through those ripples we’ve also shown how adaptable we can be, finding creative ways to convene, play, and find joy with our communities.

Episode transcript here.

Narrators: Betty Howard, Tommy Woods, Phil Ayala, Janetta Pegues, and Sunny Fischer.

Experience the thrill of late-night basketball games, memories from an Olympic-level boxer, and more about the power of sports. Storytellers for this episode include Lee Roy Murphy, Olympic boxer of the Robert Taylor Homes; Gil Walker, the former director of programs of the Chicago Housing Authority; Tanisha Wright, former WNBA player of Mon View Heights, and more.

Episode transcript here. 

Narrators: Lee Roy Murphy, James Purgatorio, Gil Walker, Tanisha Wright, Tommy Woods, and Byron Dickens.

In this episode, “Hidden History America,” storytellers analyze the state of public housing in New York City, moving out of public housing into Chicago’s Lakeview neighborhood, and the tireless efforts of parents working nights to give their children a better life.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Daphany Rose Sanchez, Robert Scott, Blanche Winston, Daniel Nicholson, Roger Prosise, and Charlene-Finley Purnell

In this episode, “Mind to Grow,” residents share their unapologetic love for their homes, memories of childhood summer fun, and the strength within the community.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Carrie​ Torres, Doris Johnson, Mike Johnson, Janet Williams, Nakia Herron, and Gregory Sain.

In this episode, “Our Neighbors Stepped Up,” narrators from Chicago, Cleveland, New York City, Minneapolis, and South Bend share stories about fun competitions between neighbors during the holidays, the stress of public housing waiting lists, and the importance of community centers for youth development.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Ladan Yusef, Lynn Adell Bowens, Troy Gaston, Cliff Christian, Jillian Stewart, and Edmund “Dante” Hamilton.

In this episode, “Pressure and Time Makes Diamonds,” we celebrate Black History Month with a rangle of narrators sharing a range of their complex experiences as Black residents of  New York City public housing.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Bonnie Bryant, Domingo Morales, Pam Phillips, and Jayah Arnett.

In this episode, “Surviving and Thriving in Public Housing,” narrators share stories of innovative entrepreneurship found in public housing complexes across Chicago. Narrators recall buying candy from trucks outside of the Cabrini-Green Homes, a watermelon man from the ABLA community, and an artist named Milton Reed, known as the Diego Rivera of the projects, who used his talent to beautify his community.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Harold Brown, Liz Thompson, Milton Reed, Godfrey Bey, and Chalonda McIntosh

This episode was revisited and expanded in Season 3. 

In this episode, “Bringing the Outdoors In,” narrators shares stories of community and compassion found in public housing. Storytellers recall the playgrounds found in New York City public housing, having neighbors feel like family, and gaining respect through sports, as well as through fighting.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Betty Howard, Tommy Woods, Phil Ayala, Janetta Pegues, Sunny Fischer, and LeeRoy Murphy

This episode, “Ordinary But Extraordinary” takes cues from our 2018 exhibition History Lessons: Everyday Objects from Chicago Public Housing, and looks to show the importance of everyday stories and their ability to deepen our understanding of American history.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Raymond “Shaq” McDonald, Claudice Ware, H. Demetrius Bonner, Juanita Stevenson, Crystal Tininia Palmer-White, and Allen Schwartz.

In this episode, “Black is Beautiful: Reflections on Arts, Culture, and Activism,” current and former public housing residents share a range of stories that exemplify not only that Black Lives Matter, but are creative, full of joy, courageous, and essential.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Raymond “Shaq” McDonald, Francine Washington, Mary Baggett, Bruce Wilkerson, Fred Cash, Sequane Lawrence, and Congressman Bobby L. Rush.

This episode was revisited and expanded in Season 3. 

In this episode, “Play Ball: Sports and Athletics in Public Housing,” former public housing residents and housing authority workers, share a range of stories about how late-night games of basketball would make a positive impact on communities and how diligent practicing could be life-changing.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: LeeRoy Murphy, Gil Walker, James Purgatorio, and Tanisha Wright.

In this episode, “Taking Care of Us: Community Care in Public Housing,” the Museum’s summer 2020 interns from Roosevelt University made selections from their favorite parts of the museum’s oral history collection, which collectively discuss the ways our communities shape us. The intern team included Skye Darke, Victoria Limon, River Toomer, and James Wilson.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: JonTia Pegues, Domenica Abbott, Phron Freeman, and Kimberly Wellington.

In this episode, “A Change of Season: Resident Adaption and Resilience” looks at the changing of the Little Italy neighborhood over the years, finding housing in a big city, resident dance parties, and more.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Ida Brantley, Ned Lufrano, Alderman Walter Burnett, Jr., and Liz Torres.

In this episode of Out of the Archives, “We’re Connected to Everybody: Connecting Stories, Connecting Dots,” narrators share stories of quarter parties that were organized in the Henry Horner Homes to help residents pay for their rent, finding the good in a community when you’re in a difficult time, and a family’s first television set at the Lathrop Homes.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Harold Brown, Sunny Fischer, Dr. Cranston Sedrick Knight, John Pettiford, and Trudy Mendoza.

In this episode, “Close to Home: Reflections on the Animal Court,” we celebrate the end of 2020, we share a selection of stories that are central to old fixture of the Museum’s home in Chicago’s Little Italy neighborhood: the Edgar Miller Animal Court. You’ll hear from residents as they share stories reminiscing on the animal sculptures designed and created by Edgar Miller during the 1930s, reflecting on it as a meeting ground and landmark for generations of ABLA residents.

Check out the restored animal sculptures when you visit the National Public Housing Museum in Chicago!

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: JonTia Pegues, Marquita Gandy, Gloria White, Byron Dickens, James Purgatorio, Phron Freeman, and Duane D. Crockett.

In this episode of Out of the Archives, “Black is Beautiful Two: Reflections on Family, Activism, and Perseverance” we celebrate Black History Month by continuing the narrative from our June 2020 episode by the same name, which highlights stories from the Black community. You’ll hear about one storyteller’s development as a community organizer, finding strength in family in the face of difficulties, and more.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Collette Payne, H. Demetrius Bonner, Willie “J.R.” Fleming, DaVida Rowley-Blackman, Delores Van Pelt, and Michael Miles

In this episode, “Silent Voices Among Us: Stories from Chicago’s Henry Horner Homes,” we share stories from residents of the Henry Horner Homes, known to many of its residents as the Hornets. The stories range from different experiences in the early years to moving out during demolition.

Check out our online exhibition of the same name, with photographs by Dr. Cranston Knight.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Crystal Palmer, Marina Pullom, Patricia Smith, John Pettiford, Sharon Leggitt, and Maria Moon.

This episode was revisited and expanded in Season 3. 

In this episode, “Full of Life: Learning and Personal Growth,” we feature stories about finding yourself through the arts and recreation, reclaiming and growing after trauma, and more.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Ben Baker, Henry Warfield, Sokeo Ros, Marquita Gandy, Nakia Herron, and Olga Molina.

This episode, “Candyman was a Candyman: People of Cabrini Green,” was co-curated by the Chicago History Museum and is set in Chicago’s Cabrini-Green community. Narrators from the community share their experiences of life in Cabrini Green, with stories including residents’ creative aspirations, an uneasy gang truce after the murder of 7-year old Dantrell Davis, the ins and outs of socializing in school, as well as insight to who the infamous Candyman really was.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Raymond “Shaq” McDonald, Katherine Davis, Betty Howard, Alderman Walter Burnett Jr., Roger Prosise, Tenika Chew, Willie “J.R.” Fleming, and Delores Van Pelt.

In this episode, “My Heart Was in It: Holidays in Public Housing,” narrators share a range of stories about their memories of the end of year holidays in the projects. You’ll hear about hallway decoration competitions in New York City Public Housing, special gifts, and a family’s decision to donate to those who have less.

Episode Transcript Here.

Narrators: Lynn Adell Bowens, Katherine Davis, Sunny Fischer, Ida Brantley, Kimberly Wellington, Diane Rizzi, Carol Rizzi, Deonte Black, and Brenda Taylor.